Comments on: Sharing more info on the Mongolian Derby topic http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/ miscellaneous musings about horses, health and life in general Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:48:55 +0000 hourly 1 By: LeadMare http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3636 LeadMare Sat, 25 Jul 2009 15:13:28 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3636 Mongolian, I hope you are truly a Mongolian, as I can't find anything else on the web from actual Mongolians, much less Mongol horse owners. I pray that the Derby is a success. As an international traveler, horse owner, and endurance rider, I share the concerns but am not opposed to the Derby. I think there is a lot of Ugly American (and other "Western" nation) doomsaying going on here, even tho the concerns are valid. That is, the concerns are valid; the negative emotional outpouring is suspect. I don't think 25 miles is a lot for these ponies. I think they will buck off their riders and run home if they don't like the race! If it IS a success, it's will be great for Mongolia. There are now rumors that the FEI and the UAE Sheiks are supporting the derby (and this has engendered more protest, naturally!) I hope that if they are involved they will address the concerns and help ensure the safety and success of the ride. Mongolian,

I hope you are truly a Mongolian, as I can’t find anything else on the web from actual Mongolians, much less Mongol horse owners. I pray that the Derby is a success. As an international traveler, horse owner, and endurance rider, I share the concerns but am not opposed to the Derby. I think there is a lot of Ugly American (and other “Western” nation) doomsaying going on here, even tho the concerns are valid. That is, the concerns are valid; the negative emotional outpouring is suspect. I don’t think 25 miles is a lot for these ponies. I think they will buck off their riders and run home if they don’t like the race!

If it IS a success, it’s will be great for Mongolia.

There are now rumors that the FEI and the UAE Sheiks are supporting the derby (and this has engendered more protest, naturally!) I hope that if they are involved they will address the concerns and help ensure the safety and success of the ride.

]]> By: verafuerstEN http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3627 verafuerstEN Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:37:01 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3627 Hi, I just cam along this site as I am looking for some sites which are interested in some link or banner exchange with my horse site at <a href="http://www.vera-fuerst.de" rel="nofollow"><b>German Sport Horses</b></a>. Or, if you if you have your own web site and you like to sell (at affordable prices please) some banner spots or text link spots, please let me know. My site is about selling german sport horses of the main breeds like hanoverian, holstein, oldenburg, etc. The horses are mainly for dressage and show jumping, but you may also find horses for vaulting, cross country, carriage and mares for breeding etc. All horses are usually presented with all pedigree and sire information as well as on photo and video. If you like to have a look to my site you are warm invited and let me know what do you think about my little site. Thanks a lot and have fun Vera Fuerst http://www.vera-fuerst.de P.S. if you like to follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/verafuerst Hi,
I just cam along this site as I am looking for some sites which are interested in some link or banner exchange with my horse site at German Sport Horses. Or, if you if you have your own web site and you like to sell (at affordable prices please) some banner spots or text link spots, please let me know.

My site is about selling german sport horses of the main breeds like hanoverian, holstein, oldenburg, etc. The horses are mainly for dressage and show jumping, but you may also find horses for vaulting, cross country, carriage and mares for breeding etc.

All horses are usually presented with all pedigree and sire information as well as on photo and video. If you like to have a look to my site you are warm invited and let me know what do you think about my little site.

Thanks a lot and have fun
Vera Fuerst
http://www.vera-fuerst.de

P.S. if you like to follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/verafuerst

]]> By: Mongolian http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3478 Mongolian Mon, 06 Jul 2009 18:49:35 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3478 There is one thing to address the key issues in regards to long distance ride for horses vs. bitch about it or express your narrow minded view of Mongolia. i.e. you said "So some airags may have more laxative effects than others. Be glad if you get diarrhoea. It could be a lot worse. How about Undulant Fever, Salmonella, E-Coli?" If I have to believe you I must carry all viruses and I am sure brought it all into NA. Pretty much all Mongolian are in edge of dying. You have not been to Mongolia nor you tried Airag nor you have tested it in lab? When Kent gave his view (from his personal trip to Mongolia) which did not support your view you simple make up invalid facts, such as about airag, what type of transport Mongolian uses, how could Mongolian nomad possible herd for 40 – 60 km. I do not think that is a fair research. Instead, your comments just sound disrespecting to our culture. As for Mercy Corps is a well respected NGO, I have talked to their managers several times. I am sure they would not want to support something that would jeopardize their work. There is one thing to address the key issues in regards to long distance ride for horses vs. bitch about it or express your narrow minded view of Mongolia. i.e. you said “So some airags may have more laxative effects than others. Be glad if you get diarrhoea. It could be a lot worse. How about Undulant Fever, Salmonella, E-Coli?”

If I have to believe you I must carry all viruses and I am sure brought it all into NA. Pretty much all Mongolian are in edge of dying. You have not been to Mongolia nor you tried Airag nor you have tested it in lab? When Kent gave his view (from his personal trip to Mongolia) which did not support your view you simple make up invalid facts, such as about airag, what type of transport Mongolian uses, how could Mongolian nomad possible herd for 40 – 60 km. I do not think that is a fair research. Instead, your comments just sound disrespecting to our culture.

As for Mercy Corps is a well respected NGO, I have talked to their managers several times. I am sure they would not want to support something that would jeopardize their work.

]]> By: Kay Aubrey-Chimene http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3450 Kay Aubrey-Chimene Sat, 04 Jul 2009 02:48:45 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3450 Good for you Karen for soliciting viewpoints from all. As a past endurance rider, who has traveled extensively (but not ridden in Mongolia), I see so many problems for this ride. From the different articles that I have read, I doubt the intentions of the organizers. For a true endurance rider - finishing with a sound horse is everything. Riding underweight horses on saddles not fitted to the rider, with no guarantee of water or proper medical care is my definition of cruelty. This will not be Mongolians, riding for the purpose of keeping the herds moving - it is exploitation pure and simple. And if I sound negative - about this, I AM! Good for you Karen for soliciting viewpoints from all. As a past endurance rider, who has traveled extensively (but not ridden in Mongolia), I see so many problems for this ride. From the different articles that I have read, I doubt the intentions of the organizers. For a true endurance rider – finishing with a sound horse is everything. Riding underweight horses on saddles not fitted to the rider, with no guarantee of water or proper medical care is my definition of cruelty. This will not be Mongolians, riding for the purpose of keeping the herds moving – it is exploitation pure and simple. And if I sound negative – about this, I AM!

]]> By: Karen http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3449 Karen Fri, 03 Jul 2009 21:53:55 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3449 The reason why I've posted the comments and information from others that HAVE BEEN TO MONGOLIA is so that others can see every viewpoint. I have gotten very little information, if any from Google. My information sources have all come from those that are experienced in Mongolia, Mongolian horses AND in long distance horse exploration and endurance riding. If the organizers knew very much about horses and endurance riding to begin with they would have initially started out having a weight limit for the riders and they would have in the beginning started out with more of an emphasis on horse welfare and veterinary care rather than "there are no guarantees of water". Any horse can be over ridden in far less than 25 miles if it is not conditioned and is being ridden by riders inexperienced in such types of events and as stated previously, most of these participants have not done an endurance ride. If it takes a negative person or viewpoint to get people to pay attention to what could potentially be a huge disaster then so be it. The reason why I’ve posted the comments and information from others that HAVE BEEN TO MONGOLIA is so that others can see every viewpoint. I have gotten very little information, if any from Google. My information sources have all come from those that are experienced in Mongolia, Mongolian horses AND in long distance horse exploration and endurance riding. If the organizers knew very much about horses and endurance riding to begin with they would have initially started out having a weight limit for the riders and they would have in the beginning started out with more of an emphasis on horse welfare and veterinary care rather than “there are no guarantees of water”. Any horse can be over ridden in far less than 25 miles if it is not conditioned and is being ridden by riders inexperienced in such types of events and as stated previously, most of these participants have not done an endurance ride. If it takes a negative person or viewpoint to get people to pay attention to what could potentially be a huge disaster then so be it.

]]> By: Mongolian http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3448 Mongolian Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:51:38 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3448 After reading more of your post I think you just know nothing about Mongolia or Mongolian horses. If things were so bad as you say I am sure Mr. Dunwoody would not be part taking with this race. I know the organizers have organized several successful Mongol Rally events. They have been in Mongolia many times and I am sure they know Mongolian conditions. From what I am readying you have not been in Mongolia. You know very little to none beside your Google search, which everyone can load their opinion just like you. Mongolian Horses are semi-wild and indeed they are able to find the way back home. Horses are everything for a nomad and I am sure, as a Mongolian I have experienced Mongolian and Western life, nomad will not let their horses suffer by any mean. This race is not easy and even in Mongol Rally website it is clearly indicated that this is a high risk (physically and mentally) race. P.S. from reading your blog you sound a very negative person. After reading more of your post I think you just know nothing about Mongolia or Mongolian horses. If things were so bad as you say I am sure Mr. Dunwoody would not be part taking with this race. I know the organizers have organized several successful Mongol Rally events. They have been in Mongolia many times and I am sure they know Mongolian conditions. From what I am readying you have not been in Mongolia. You know very little to none beside your Google search, which everyone can load their opinion just like you.

Mongolian Horses are semi-wild and indeed they are able to find the way back home. Horses are everything for a nomad and I am sure, as a Mongolian I have experienced Mongolian and Western life, nomad will not let their horses suffer by any mean.

This race is not easy and even in Mongol Rally website it is clearly indicated that this is a high risk (physically and mentally) race.

P.S. from reading your blog you sound a very negative person.

]]> By: Karen http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3447 Karen Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:28:01 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3447 Mongolian - the point is that nobody wants the horses to suffer at the hands of people who either do not care, or do not have the experience to know how to take care of them in a way that will ensure they not only get through the event in good condition but do not suffer any long term consequences. Racing horses even 25 miles without knowledge and veterinary supervision is extremely dangerous. Most real endurance riders would want no part in this ridiculous ego trip of an event - if they did there would be somebody signed up that actually has completed some AERC endurance events. There are none! Karen Mongolian – the point is that nobody wants the horses to suffer at the hands of people who either do not care, or do not have the experience to know how to take care of them in a way that will ensure they not only get through the event in good condition but do not suffer any long term consequences. Racing horses even 25 miles without knowledge and veterinary supervision is extremely dangerous. Most real endurance riders would want no part in this ridiculous ego trip of an event – if they did there would be somebody signed up that actually has completed some AERC endurance events. There are none! Karen

]]> By: Mongolian http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/2009/07/sharing-info-mongolian-derby-topic/comment-page-1/#comment-3446 Mongolian Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:13:37 +0000 http://enduranceridestuff.com/blog/?p=3317#comment-3446 I am not really sure why are you complaining? and what is your point? if you do not want to race then don't. I am not really sure what is your point. From what I am reading you wont’ be able to survive in Mongolian Steps so why don’t you just stay in your cozy home. I am not really sure why are you complaining? and what is your point? if you do not want to race then don’t. I am not really sure what is your point. From what I am reading you wont’ be able to survive in Mongolian Steps so why don’t you just stay in your cozy home.

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